Tuesday, December 21, 2004

Lloyd Dobler

Lloyd Dobler is a great philosopher.

My question for you: Say Anything came out 1989. Lloyd articulated a rule of "draw[ing] the line at 7 unreturned phone calls." How, if at all, is that rule modified with the advent of e-mail?

I look forward to your comments.

6 Comments:

Blogger Matthew said...

Hmmm. Well, 7 calls is quite a lot, but I definitely have this mental perception that it's ok to call more than it is to e-mail (not sure why).

And where e-mail is concerned, I also have this mental perception that 2 is quite sufficient. If you e-mail sometime twice (allowing perhaps a week or so for a response), you're sure you've got the right address, and the person doesn't respond to you, then I think that's a pretty clear signal. "Being busy" only goes so far as an excuse.

Just my two cents.

Take care. ;-)

2:02 PM  
Blogger Matthew said...

Is there any hybrid of the two forms? What aggregate number of e-mails and phone calls (assuming both are tried) would be the magic number for getting the hint?

What I want to know is when unresponsiveness becomes a message, I guess. Maybe it's just a mystery of human interaction.

2:11 PM  
Blogger ryan bradley said...

7 calls? man, that would really tick me off. I would go as low as 2, at least I did in the dating scene. If I called a women twice and she didn't call back, than she isn't interested. Once would almost be enough in that case.

As for email, the caveat that I think is going to become more common is when dealing with spam filters. For instance, I use thunderbird for an email client at home, and if I get a new email out of the blue from someone who I don't exchange email with regularly, than there is a 50/50 chance my filter will catch it and put it in the spam folder. Naturally, expecting this, I check my spam folder periodically, but things get overlooked.

As such, I would use 3 as the email limit when emailing someone I don't regularly corespond with, and I might still consider following up with a phone call after that. Technology can be unreliable for the unadept (such as my wife).

9:12 AM  
Blogger Matthew said...

Is your e-mail rule modified at all when it is someone who has an established track record of e-mail communication? In other words, spam filter is not a consideration.

11:39 AM  
Blogger Me said...

I'm tough - if I email once, and don't get a reply, then I may not email a second time. Occasionally, I'll email a second time, but that's only about a fourth of the time. So I more or less have a one email rule.

2:33 PM  
Blogger morti said...

7 is definately too many, emails or phone calls.
I think with phone calls, 2 is sufficient.
The spam filter does make a difference, but emailing from the same email address probably won't change the spam filter. So, a follow up phone call helps.
Maybe 3 emails should be the cut off.

1:53 AM  

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